Olusegun
Osoba: At 85, I Have No Regret In Life
Former Ogun State Governor, Aremo
Olusegun Osoba marked his 85th year birthday anniversary with a book
launch which attracted important dignitaries from all walks of life. As a governor, he remained one of the most charismatic chief executive to ever ruled over the Gateway State. As a journalist, the erstwhile Managing Director of the defunct Daily Times Group imprinted his footprints in the sand of times as one of the most influential journalists in the political history of the country. He shares
his life and professional experiences in this exclusive chat with OLAWALE OLALEYE
What does it feel like to be 85 years
old?
Well, it’s all in the mind. Truly speaking, I keep wondering. I always ask
myself, too. Am I really 85? Because, when I was younger, people above
sixty, we called them Baba, Pa, and to be seventy then was seen as an
achievement. I thank God that I advanced to 85 years and I feel quite alright
with myself. I tell you, I don’t play with my doctors instructions and advice.
You are not just alive to be 85, you
seem very healthy. It may be hard to find a contemporary, as agile, hale and
healthy as you. How have you been able to maintain a healthy life and safe
living?
I must confess to you. First of all, as a true Nigerian, I attribute everything
to the grace of God. But I can tell you, one of the major attributes that one
needs is to learn to do everything with moderation. Whatever may be the case,
even the food you eat; you must do it with moderation. It is very important.
And give yourself a total rest of mind.
You must have contentment. I don’t envy anybody. And I don’t use anybody as a
parameter or barometer for my own life. I believe in myself. I live my life the
way I want it. And I don’t envy anybody. Secondly, I hate to carry an issue
overnight. Because, if I envy somebody and I carry it overnight, I don’t sleep
well. So I deal with all issues during the day.
There was a time when I was governor, I had to tell some of my close friends,
who were strong and close enough to tell me the truth. People like Oba Otudeko,
Peter Àjàyí – they were friends who would tell me bluntly what they felt.
We usually talked almost every night. At a point, I had to plead with them that
if they found something wrong that I was not doing well, they should not be
telling me in the night, they must tell me in the morning, so that I would have
dealt with it during the day to avoid carrying it overnight. So, you must give
yourself total peace of mind. As I repeat, contentment; don’t be envious and
you live the rest to God
So, what do you do with your time since
you no longer work?
With this order of internet platforms and connectivity, there is so much to
read. In fact, I get bombarded that I struggle everyday to catch up. For
example, as a politician, I have 7000 thousand contacts on my phone. So, coping
with “happy Monday”, “happy Sunday”, “happy new month”, “happy these and that”.
Then I belong to so many platforms. Old classmates, clubs. They don’t like me
to pull out. Professional websites and platforms, there is so much to read and
with modern day technology, events happen so fast.
News happens so fast. I am a curious reporter; I have always wanted to be up to
date. But one thing I do is that I rest as much as I can. I listen to my body.
It is very important that one should listen to your body talking to you. If my
body tells me not to get up, I don’t get up. As a result, I always mute my
telephone all night and I don’t open my telephone before 12 noon.
I don’t answer calls before noon. By then, I would have had my early morning
sleep, which is the best and when I get up to start the day, it’s like that
till midnight or sometimes past midnight. So, again, one must be in charge of
one’s activity and importantly, listen to your body and obey your doctor’s
instructions.
Given the many curves that life has
taken you, did you ever think that you could actually live up to 85?Well, when I look back, for example, my News
Editor at Daily Times, Animashaun, left office and was heading home. I don’t
think he was up to 40. Driving home, he died in his car. He must have had a
heart attack. And when I look at some of my friends, who died young, I used to
wonder whether I too would live beyond the ages of those young ones who died.
Well, thank God, now I am 85. I never thought that I would live up to 85. So,
one must be doing Thanksgiving everyday.
So, was there any time that you ever gave up on life?
Never! I am an optimist. I give myself rest of mind. I don’t think I have cause
to regret my life at any stage. I can tell you I’ve lived it well at every
stage of my life. In my younger days, myself, Gen Babangida, Gen Ike Nwachukwu,
Air Marshal Abas, Air Marshal Bello, we used to paint Lagos red in our younger
days.
I have no regrets. I thank God at every stage. I live it up and enjoy myself.
In fact, Kabiyesi, the Awujale of Ijebu-land is always telling me that if I
slaughter a ram everyday in thanksgiving to God for what He has done in my
life, it is not too much. Kabiyesi is 90. He used to tell me that, watching me,
at every stage of my life, I had the best of everything. That I should always
be thanking God every day, which is true.
85 years on earth could actually make
you an encyclopaedia on life’s many issues. But what is that one lesson that
life has taught you such that you’d love to share for people to learn from?
If you read my book, my autobiography, you will find that I said, ‘Battle
Lines: Adventures in Journalism and Politics’. One thing that I will say is
that one should never give up, no matter the circumstances. Be battle ready.
And if you’ve read ‘Battle Line’, you find too many challenges that I went
through. And I thank God I had the courage never to give up. Never! Never to
accept defeat.
Life is made up of good and evil. There
can’t be one without the other. With the benefit of hindsight, is there
anything in life you would have loved to do differently or in the best case scenario,
undo, looking back?
Each time I look back, I can’t find anything
I would say I regret. No, If I have to go through it again, I don’t think I
would do anything differently. No regrets at all. In everything I did, I have
no regrets. None.
Olusegun Osoba is a household name. Interestingly you made
this name as a journalist and not as a politician that many reckon today. How
does that make you feel?
I always feel good within myself, because when you look at many who have been
governors in the country, whether military or civilian,
many who are still
alive have been forgotten. I tell my children that one thing I would do over
and over again is to be a reporter. Being a reporter is a university by itself.
You get to know so many people. You get to learn a lot. You get to develop
contacts. For example, my daughter gave me a grandson in March. She is to come
back home this week to be around for my 85th birthday and she had to go and get
an emergency travel certificate for the little boy. And she came back so elated
and happy, that, getting to the High Commission in London, the name Osoba was
so respected that she was given virtually a VIP treatment and she came back and
said, “Daddy, I wonder how you do it.”
I said well, that is part of the grace of God that I gained as a journalist and
not as a governor. I have forgotten that I was a governor. In fact, when PDP
rigged the election in 2003, I just decided to return home. I didn’t go to
court. In spite of the fact that Gen Buhari proved in court that the election
in Ogun State was grossly rigged.
And the election was cancelled by Justice Tobi, who was the chairman of the
presidential election tribunal. I didn’t want to force myself on Ogun State. I
wanted to serve, and if they said “no more”, why not? I returned home and gave
myself peace of mind. The goodwill that I enjoy at all levels, is more than
enough for me. It gives me great joy.
Again, you didn’t just make a name as a
journalist, you also made very expensive contacts at the highest level of
leadership in the country. How were you able to balance it, without conflicting
your professional obligations?
Well, you will see, like I tell you, there has been no head of government that
I was and still not close to. Right from Tafawa Balewa to Gen Yakubu Gowon.
Ironsi was the only one I wasn’t close to, but his was short. His time was
short. Murtala Mohammed to our Obasanjo, Obasanjo to Shagari, Shagari to Gẹn Buhari, Buhari to Babangida.
Abacha I knew even as GOC in Ibadan before he became Head of State. Although he
was after me to kill me because he felt that being close to him I should have
gone all out for him. Then from Abacha to General Abdulsalami Abubakar,
Abubakar back to Obasanjo. Obasanjo went back to Yar’adua, whose brother was
very close to me as Chief of staff to Obasanjo then. We developed a very close
relationship.
Then to Jonathan, who I knew when he was deputy to Alayemesigha, and from
Jonathan back to Buhari and now to our first progressive president, President
Bola Ahmed Tinubu. There has been no president in this country that I don’t
know. So, balancing the situation, I can tell you, the training that we had
from Baba Jose was very influential to my attitude. I never compromised my professional standard
with all the connections that I had. If I had wanted to make money, anything I
asked or be an agent to some businesses, I would have made millions. But
never! I will give you an example. General Mobolaji Johnson was my House Captain
at Methodist Boys High School and he became governor. And he was the one that
allocated most of Victoria Island. As close as I was to him, one of my
classmates was his commissioner, Rasheed Gbadamosi, and my boss, Odunewu, was
also commissioner in his cabinet. I never asked for land in Victoria Island.
You will not believe that it was when Mudashiru became governor. Mudashiru grew
up in Isalẹ Eko, and married one of the sisters of my
classmate, Babayemi. It was he who was shocked to learn that I didn’t have a
single sand in Lagos as Managing Director of Daily Times. He was the one who,
by force, allocated a plot to me in Lekki.
It was the first government land that I have
had all throughout my career until I became the MD of Daily Times. I never had
a plot of land in Lagos. It was shocking to Mudashiru. And he paid off for me.
Because, all these people I mentioned have respect for me and those of them who
are still alive still have tremendous respect for me.
I still enjoy that goodwill. I did not compromise my professional ethics and
standards. It paid off for me. Anything I wanted, up till today, I got it done.
Up till today, I have never had any government business or contract that would
create any scandal for me. So, I am lucky. The benefit of it came in different
forms, for me.
I can tell you that even as Governor, I was never a candidate of EFCC or ICPC.
Overall, that goodwill will come through other sources for you to get on in
life.
Is it not surprising that at 85, you
still enjoy referring to yourself as a reporter. What really is it with you and
journalism?
I used to tell people that we, the reporters, are the infantry belt. We are the
foot-soldiers of journalism. Anybody can be a columnist. Anybody! You don’t
have to get any special training to be a columnist. In fact, in my younger
days, Tai Solarin was one of the best columnists in Daily Times. Yet he was not
a journalist. He was an educationist.
Anybody can be a writer. You can express your opinion as a columnist, that
doesn’t make you a journalist. In my days, there were desk people, sub-editors,
who would plan the pages and edit our stories. Yes, I agree. But they were in
the background. We were the ones who went out and took risks. We were the real
soldiers on the battle front. And that’s why I take pride in being a reporter.
Professor Akin Faleye propounded a theory that, even in heaven, there would be
reporters because God himself will communicate to us who are in heaven. If
there is going to be communication, there must be reporters to disseminate the
information. So, why would I not be proud? In my life, I am a reporter, and
when I get to heaven, I will still be a reporter. So, there is life after here
for me in heaven.
Everyone’s prayer for you is to live
many more years in good health, but at 85, are there things you still look
forward to before the universe calls time on you?
Nothing! I just do thanksgiving to God. I always say, I don’t pray to
have an aircraft. I don’t want to buy aircraft. I don’t want to buy Rolce
Royce. The vehicles that I have for now will still last me for the next five
years. The only thing I do everyday is, the Bible teaches us to count our days.
If I am going to live until 90, I have about 2500 days from now to ninety.
And I always asked myself, what will I be doing for the near 3000 days. Because
if I live until ninety, nobody can say that I didn’t live well enough. So, I
always want to get the best of everything in the daytime. Rest well. I don’t
eat much, but the little I want to eat I want to eat quality food. If there is
anything I enjoy most, it’s music. So I give myself the best and relax.
I have worked all my life and want to spend the rest of my life living a
relaxed and enjoyable life. Sam Amuka used to tell me that when he is 90 years,
he would like to go and he would be 90 next year on June 13. And I have told
him that we won’t let him go at 90. The mother died at 108. So I told him that
when it’s 106 or 107, we would force God to take him away then.
Like him, I thank God. I live to count my days, count my weeks. So, if I live
to be 90, I still have about 300 weeks left. Why shouldn’t I give glory to God
everyday and enjoy every day of my life to the best of my ability.
Lastly, what is family to you? And
where has family always been in all that life has thrown at you, even at 85?
Well, I thank God that I have a good family. I have only one pity, that all
through my life as a journalist, I devoted all day, all night to the
profession. It is in old age now that I try to give as much as I can to my
grandchildren what my children didn’t have. As a successful journalist, you
have to be hard-working all day. You don’t go to bed until the paper goes to
bed. And that is not before midnight. So, my grandchildren are the ones I am
giving it all to. I look forward to my grandchildren and enjoy their
company.